Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. Utter Rubbish! And dropped her in alive? Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. Late stage of pregnant. His integrity shows through all the time. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. None of that is going to me made public, for obvious reasons. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. Unless I missed it? I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. All these people do is lie. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. Chris is a monster. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). Im just saying if her friend had never come over. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! I have a question. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. Did you live with them? As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. Even flailing my legs they werent even reaching him. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. He just didnt want another baby. Advertisement. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. He didnt know what to do and was shaking. Everything you say can & has been disputed. I just dont understand this. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. Lack of defensive injuries. Shanann loved clothes, and also being away for work (product) she may have had a huge heavy as suitcase loaded up, and as much as she wanted it upstairs thought Chris was asleep and being exhausted, preggers etc. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. I remember reading as part of the Scott Peterson murder investigation that they found traces of fecal matter in the carpet (which had been cleaned) in a downstairs hallway, I think, but I just looked around and couldnt find anything, so I must have mis-remembered. A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Required fields are marked *. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. (blood chokes, carotid restraints or sleeper holds) Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach Lastly and not related to your book, I continuously read people stating that the only bruises on Shananns body were the on the right side of her neck. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! I am by no means defending him. Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. Fecal traces also missing in the Zahau case. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. One body was face down in the south side of the tank. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. Just a thought. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. She should have seen my house when my kids were little. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. Seemed to me like she kept everything clean that you could see. 3. Same with NK. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. 100% agree. Not a single drop of blood on the bed sheets, and she winged him apparently with her nails on his neck. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. I am in Australia and I came across this story by accident and I am just horrified. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. No sign of that either. The autopsy report details her cause of death and injuries. Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. Correct. I was married to someone, super attentive dad, husband. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. The breast get sore , and large during pregnancy, and for me at least, it was more comfortable to have them supported and padded. But legally it was in Chriss name. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. At the time of her death, Shanann had been 15 weeks pregnant (via MEAWW). This was the last time she was seen alive. There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. Also, in the 2-4 minutes it took him to kill Shannan, this father who would never hurt his kids, never looked at the visible baby bump and thought Im killing the baby too, I need to stop. Christopher was sentenced to life in pri False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. Thoughts? Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. Googled ways to suffocate children? Police saw a bed sheet. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. She even labelled food in her kitchen. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. He is a monster. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range There are no words . I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. To do her business? 4. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? ~KSmallz. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. But think about it. Mark, that is really interesting! It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, She wasnt OCD, and even if she was, what does it matter? 1. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. Could Bellas mouth injuries have occurred postmortem when he shoved her through the hatch? . He then pursued and strangled her there. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. 2. Even more common with pregnant women. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Jami I have 1 question for you. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. I meant three perfectly formed humans. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. It could be all the thrive he was taking. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. Im sure he didnt want any questions from her or to talk about anything. Just asking a question. Bella was face up in the oil tank. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. This story breaks my heart. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. He woke up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work, and they began talking about separating. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. The sheets were off because he used the fitted sheet to wrap her body in because of its rounded corners, he said this to the investigators. As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. Do not make it more complex than it need be please. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). Thankyou. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Unless you count her phone. Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. So the agent says what about strangling? All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. He didnt flip. On page one of the report in the list of Diagnoses, it states:- Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. The ground was visible disturbed. Please explain. A monster! Areas of bruising, external. Its in the autopsy x. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. I think despite her bravado, she had insecurities just like everyone else, with both herself, and her roles as wife and mother AND someone working in an MLM. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! Strangleholds require little physical strength. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? Where was all the money from that house? Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! And that she looked at him as she died. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. There is a text I think to chris. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. Typo. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. If CW is the type of father that would never hurt his girls, then his behavior after pulling Shannan off CeCe would be to call 911, try CPR ( he had classes at work) When non murderous parents are confronted with the loss or potential loss of their children they get desperate. I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. Im interpreting the autopsy report details her cause of death was given as asphyxiation due smothering. Into her stomach lack of putting up a fight i slept in my bras with all four my! 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