There are a couple other odd-ball rounds out there that convert to .410 size shells but .444 marlin and .303 british are the two that seem to be used the most. Bullet weight: 405 grains. Its close to the .410 diameter of the .450/400 Nitro Express 3-inch, which is justifiably admired as a dangerous-game cartridge, but the Nitro pushes a 400-grain bullet at 2,050 fps for 3,700 ft.-lbs. The checkering is done in a bordered point pattern, and its very nicely executed. . Winchester 350 . And spring bear is just around the corner. The fact that were still producing the M95 is a huge testimony to the Winchester brand and the position it has in the marketplace, Nielsen said. www.randyscustomrifles.com |. leverguns. It was this encounter that led to the now famous quote that he documented on page 200 of African Game Trails: Tarlton took his big double-barrel and advised me to take mine, as the sun had just set and it was likely to be close work; but I shook my head, for the Winchester 405 is, at least for me personally, the medicine gun for lions. Yes, the .444 Marlin is A GOOD CHOICE for grizzly or brown bear hunting, under average conditions, from a mid-range distance, with a medium grain expanding bullet, and with correct shot placement. I'm thinking about adding a Winchester/Miroku 1886 lever action rifle to my collection in 45-70 with Redding dies, Starline brass, and X-Treme 405 gr. versions of the rifle. 1 action, which allows the round to be loaded much hotter and with heavier bullets than would be safe even in a modern-built 1895. Looking at the variety of ammunition available for the two, the .45-70 Government has the undeniable advantage in the number of choices, with nearly every manufacturer including the cartridge in their lineup, in some form or another. But the 444 is a 250 yard game cartridge, not because of a lack of power but because of its down range drop. They really liked the speedy lightweight bullets offered in .25, .270, 7 mm and .30 calibers that smacked deer down at a quarter mile. The .405, like the .444 Marlin, was made for use in lever action rifles. The fact that the cartridge used .411 bullets was another strike against it, since thats a unique size that requires custom production bullets unlike the extremely common .284, .308, and .458 bullets that are used by so many other popular cartridges. did not endure is that it used an almost one-of-a-kind bulleta .4115-inch diameter, 300-grain soft point. While the current rifle is also available in .30-06, I think for most people the .405 Win., which made its debut in 1904, will be the more interesting chambering. Hornady has included both cartridges in their excellent LeveRevolution line, with the .444 Marlin loaded with a 265-grain FTX bullet at 2325 fps, and the .45-70 Government loaded with a 250-grain FTX at 2025 fps. The .30 Army was one of the first commercially available cartridges that utilized smokeless powder and sportsmen of the day were amazed at the enhanced killing power and flat trajectories obtainable with the new wonder powder. Because most human minds like to put information into little boxes and once stored doesnt like to run automatic comparisons of information. SEE IT. Compare that to the .375 H&H shooting a 300gr bullet (.305 SD), the .416 Rigby with a 400gr bullet (.330 SD), or the .458 Winchester with a 500gr bullet (.341 SD) of energy. $405.67. The 500 gr Hornadys will run to the low 1900's. 400 gr bullets will do 2200. Though its on the light side and has a relatively low sectional density for thick-skinned dangerous game like buffalo and elephant when compared to cartridges like the .375 H&H and .416 Rigby, hunters have used the .405 Winchester to successfully take just about every species of dangerous game over the years. [5] Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Excellent condition with Leupold 2-7X Scope. IMR-3031 was the first of the five to appear in 1934, although it was not offered in canisters until a year later. The main difference between the two really starts when you begin to stretch them out more, say, past 150 yards. But it was only 24 fps higher than the next highest load with a powder I do have Acc1680. and the 250 grain jacketed bullet in 308 is just about the highest weight we can find unless we go to custom bullet makers. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. First, they were cool. Our price: $59.99. For that reason, Ruger produced their ubiquitous Number 1 Tropical rifle in .405 Winchester for a time and Winchester has offered a couple of limited commemorative production runs of Model 95 rifles made by Miroku over the years as well. What is the average muzzle energy for a .444 Marlin? Formally known as the .45-70-405relating caliber-powder charge-bullet weight specificationsthe cartridge was commercially known as the .45-70 Government, and that 405-grain lead bullet travelled at a muzzle velocity of just about 1400 fps, though a heavier 500-grain bullet was soon employed. pistol calibers price price price price stock: per 50: per 100: per 500: per 1000: status: 30 luger brass cases: $28.00: $50.00: $219.00: $408.50: in stock: 30 mauser cases The .45-70 uses a straight-walled, rimmed case measuring 2.105 inches, and maintains an overall length of 2.550 inches. of muzzle energy. . Well I hope not I happen to like the 405 just the way it is and would hate to see it replaced by anything. However, she was shooting the cartridge in the stronger Ruger No. Like all Noslers partition bullets, it expands and penetrates beyond most other bullets. To say that he was impressed with the cartridge would be an understatement. The .444 Marlin Ammo has an overall length of 65mm and a bullet diameter of 10.9mm. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. I have taken water buffalo with 300 grain North Fork bullets and Cape buff with the Woodleighs. With the 225 grain jacketed bullet and 46 grains of H4350 he states velocity is 2369 and 54727 J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. Sunday, November 02, 2008 .405 Winchester vs. .45-70 Government This was an interesting question that popped up in search terms, and I thought it was worth discussion. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. I will not discourge you on your endevor to possibly go with the 1895. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. But like 45 caliber bullets, 44s (.430) pack a lot of weight in short stubby bullets Lees load for the 300 is 42.5 grains of H4198 giving almost 2100 fps at over 40,000 Hornady has solved the ammo dilemma and loads the cartridge today. The .308 with a 200 grain jacketed bullet using BL-C2 powder with 43.5 grains gives 2514 fps at 593777 Benelli Lupo Bolt-Action Rifle Line Expanded with New Chamberings, How to Clean a Rifle Barrel the Effective and Harmless Way, 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 RPM What You Need to Know, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. The .444 Marlin has the advantage of using the jacketed and cast bullets for the .44 Magnum, making it a rather flexible design for the handloader. Only thing I haven't figured out is powder. As impressed as hunters were with the .30-40 Krag, they got even more good news when Winchester introduced the .405 Winchester (aka the .405 WCF) in 1904. .405 Winchester.408 CheyTac.416 Remington Magnum.416 Rigby.416 Ruger.43 Spanish.444 Marlin.44-40 WCF.44-77 Sharps.45 Raptor.450 Bushmaster.450 Marlin . I have taken it on a couple of hunts but never been able to close the deal on a critter with it yetsomething I need to reconcile. Buy it. I shoot the 95 in 405 and a 45-70 sharps. The sad part is I believed all this for years. But a 500 Grain bullet hunting load in a light lever gun will rock your world. Big or not, the .405 Win. The 30-06 uses generally a 170 Grain bullet. I will post some loadings from the so-called experts. Energy. Heck, the .405 Winchester was so popular that Kynoch produced factory ammunition for the cartridge for several years. Mag. and 30.2" low at 300 yards. H4198 and reloader 7 are the most accurate powders in my experience sight in the 444 marlin , at 3.5" high at 100 yards is close to 7" low 200 yards, and about 28 " low at 300 yards, But by far the best when you combine both velocity and accuracy, and that is H4198. I don't own a Marlin rifle, mine is a Win 94 Big Bore with 1-12 twist. Naturally, the 300 grain Hornady bullets can handle most American game. Interestingly enough, the .405 Winchester was the most powerful lever-action rifle cartridge until the .444 Marlin came along over 50 years later. If you think a 44 Mag is bad than leave the bigger guns alone. Youll get no argument from me on that score. Just be mindful that when shopping for sights youll see references to 1895 that refer to Marlin and not Winchester. The carbine version in .30-40 Krag was also at one time an issue gun for the Texas Rangers and the Arizona Rangers. In my experimenting so far, .303 takes several shots to fire-form and the rim thickness is too much. Also, a 45 70 quickly and cleanly kills a hog. The well-shaped fore-end feels good in the hands and features a graceful Schnabel tip. I'm not trying to be beligerant in any way, I am simply asking you guys to show me compared ballistics. GARY REEDER'S GNR CARTRIDGES - A Complete Reloading Manual here are the current cartridges.. first the ones based on the 405 case.. 257 GNR 277 GNR 280 GNR 310 GNR 8mm GNR 338 GNR 350 GNR 366 GNR 378 GNR Next cartridges based on the 30-30 case 221 Falcon 241 Falcon 256 Falcon 6.5 GNR 7 GNR 30 GNR 300 GNR The original Winchester factory load consisted of a 300gr. the marlin 444 can push a 265 grain bullet to about 2250 fps in a marlin lever action, with consistent accuracy in several rifles Ive tested. .444 Marlin.44-40 WCF.44-77 Sharps.45 Raptor.450 Bushmaster.450 Marlin.450/400 Nitro Express.45-60 Winchester.45-70 Government.45-75 WCF.45-90 Sharps Winchester followed up on the success of the cartridge by offering it in their Model 1885 single shot rifle. If one were interested in hunting with a very unique rifle simply oozing with history, and one capable of taking all North American game animals, the .405 Winchester is a great choice. With a double rifle you can use cartridges that do not have those limitations. While Roosevelt did have great success hunting a variety of African large game creatures using a Winchester Model 1895 rifle chambered in.405 Winchester, the story of the cartridge is much more than Roosevelt's adventure. Our experience had convinced us that both the Winchester .405 and the Springfield .300 [.30-06] would do good work with elephants; although I kept to my belief that, for such very heavy game, my Holland .500/450 was an even better weapon, he wrote in African Game Trails. But it is no 405. This squat bullet is down to 1,370 f.p.s. While I think the .444 Marlin is a sound design, there is such a diversity in the .45-70 Government makes it a logical and abundant choice for the hunter. Don't get hung up on the old garbage that everyone else in the past has done by thinking the 444 is somehow merely a 100 yard cartridge. The action operates smartly. Reply Glittering_War7622 . Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. And today were seeing a resurgence in straight-wall cartridges due to some formerly shotgun-only states now allowing straight-wall centerfires for deer hunting. Winchester 94AE 444 Marlin caliber rifle. The current barrel measures 1.12 inches in diameter at the receiver, tapering to 0.73 inch at the muzzle. Ammo companies and reloading books had gotten comfortable giving out 1800 to 2100 fps loads. Over the course of their expedition, the two men took over 500 animals, to include a number of lion, elephant, rhino, and buffalo in addition to hundreds of antelope. I did not win the side match; my friend who goes by Yakima Red in CAS shooting, beat me by hitting his 83-yard jug with the first shot from his 1894 Winchester in .30-30. The Barnes 300 gr Buster at 2,150 fps is pure penetration in the 444 Marlin and I highly doubt the Weldcore would prove to be a better load than the Barnes on large game including big bears. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. With the extra weight of the encore and MT, the 444 is more pleasant to shoot compared to contender. The 220 grain .308 bullet at 2300 fps from at .308 rifle with a 3" 100 yard setting will be right on at 200, 7" low at 250 yards, and near 15 inches at 300 yards. (taken from the Hornady ballistics tables, the heaviest .308 bullet in the Hornady ballistics section). That was until someone reminded me that a 444 Marlin is very close to it balistically and that I already have a 444. So whats new. I'll give you the extra 100 fps even though all factory loads are at 2200 fps just like the 444 Marlin's 2200 fps. Make sure you subscribe to The Big Game Hunting Podcast and follow The Big Game Hunting Blog on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, andYouTube. Sixguns | The Art of John Dietz I dearly love the 45-70 and have a couple of them. The loadings for the 444 in the Marlin rifle (we will look at the very strong Winchester Big Bore in this caliber later on..) are in Lees book pages 653 thru 656 and he keeps the loads pressures within the 40,000+ psi and cup ranges because of the Marlin action. Results on the latter were decidedly mixed, and Roosevelt admitted it was a bit wanting at the largest end of the game spectrum. Your choice of sites is up to you, but if shots are 100 yards or less the red dot is a good choice. certainly qualifies, and I think the 1895 would be a fantastic wild boar, elk, bear or moose hunting companion, and it would be a unique deer rifle as well. Fortunately, the .405 lends itself well to reloading and the necessary components are widely available. My late Godfather Oren Mick DeCheck, my maternal great-uncleenjoyed a .444 Marlin as his deer/bear rifle, and my DadOl Grumpy Pantsstill reaches for his Browning 1886 centennial .45-70 Government, so both of these cartridges played a role in my shooting world. Until the advent of the .444 Marlin it was the most powerful cartridge ever chambered in a lever-action rifle. (it slugged at .414 groove) I recently sold the CZ, (age is catching up to me) but in the round-about trade, wound up with a miroku 95. Click here to learn more about Take Down rifles >. I had taken it with me to compete in a side match at our local CAS shoot Saturday. That's when the need for this bullet arose and thus was introduced. ft.lbs. On the left side of the receiver, youll find one large threaded hole and two smaller ones fitted with screws. He also gives loads for 280 and 300 grain jacketed bullets. A first-shot hit scored three times the lasered range; second shot hit yielded two times the range and third shot hit was one times the range. The straight stock with its 27/8-inch drop and hard metal buttplate accentuate recoil forces, but its way more pleasurable to shoot than a big, high-pressure magnum. Mag. To put this in context, its considerably more energy than most 300-grain .45-70 loads (around 2,200 ft.-lbs. Though Roosevelt did not take every single animal with the .405 Winchester, he used it often enough to thoroughly evaluate the effectiveness of the cartridge on a wide variety of game. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Gov. vs. .300 Win. Skip to main content Skip to search. The results were impressive; the 300-grain soft point at some 2,200 fps made the jug come apart nicely. However, I found that by placing the gold bead of the front sight so it sat just atop the fine portion of the notch, I could get an okay sight picture. Winchester sees it much the same way. The little full-jacketed, sharp-pointed bullet made a terrific rendering compared with the heavier, ordinary shaped bullet of the same composition. But at 2730 fps the muzzle energy is 3310 Looking at this product line, youll be inclined to give the nod to the .444 Marlin, especially coupled with the Hornady Superformance load of the 265-grain InterLock at 2400 fps. In the late 19th century, the .45-70 would have been viewed as an average-diameter cartridge, as the small bores like the .30-06 and 7x57mm Mauser would take some time to gain ground as the all-around military/hunting bore diameters. As befits a lever action of its era, there are no sling swivel studs. The 338 Win Mag was introduced in 1959. Kurt Martonik/Free Range American. The .444 Marlin (10.957mmR) is a rifle cartridge designed in 1964 by Marlin Firearms and Remington Arms.It was designed to fill in a gap left by the older .45-70 when that cartridge was not available in any new lever-action rifles; at the time it was the largest lever-action cartridge available. you save 27%. The anomaly of the 444 came along when Winchester chambered their Big Bore 94 action for the round. Thanks for the information on the .405 1895. The original Winchester factory load consisted of a . With lighter bullets in the 150 to 180 grain class it is one of our very best cartridges. South Coast Mass. 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On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. Ammunition: Remington 405 grain Soft Point bullet. Previously sold. Shooting from field positions was fun. 444 Marlin VS 45-70 Trajectory. When handloaded, the .444 Marlin could easily reach 2100 fps with 300 grains bullets, in some ways reminiscent of the grand old .405 Winchester (which shot a 300 grain bullet at 2200 fps). During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Load the modern Miroku made Winchester 1895 .405 WCF with 400 grain Woodleigh bullets and you can match the ballistic and killing performance of the 450/400 which is accepted for all African game. If you zero at 100 yards, the .405 is dropping 8.3 inches at 200 yards and 30.2 inches at 300 yardswith 1,727 ft.-lbs. The Winchester 1895 was created by famed gun designer John Browning around a box magazine and a very robust action lock up so that it could employ pointed bullets and the more powerful calibers meant to handle the new smokeless gun powders. The .405 also outdoes Hornadys 265-grain LeverEvolution load in the .444 Marlin at 3,180 ft.-lbs., but the .444 Marlin Superformance (3,389 ft.-lbs.) 444 Marlin's use on big game is rated for optimum game up to elk, moose, grizz, brown bear, leopard and lion. Often seen as being outdated, the .45-70 has been around for a long-ass time: since the 1870s. Snow. So could holding your breath till you faint, but I know how not to do that. vs. .458 Lott7mm Rem. The 444 Marlin is close in class to the legendary .45-70. on Cape buffalo. The Model 1895 was the last John M. Browning design for Winchester. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington. 444 marlin and 45-90 are the only other ones that id call even remotely close to "common", but the 45-70 still blows them out of the water in terms of availability, both rifles and ammo. The .444 Marlin is nearly identical to the .405 Winchester ballistically, but the Marlin model 444 is slimmer and lighter, compared to the bulkier and heavier Winchester model 1895. . If you range-confirm your drop and do the math, you can still hit your targetand with the .405 you can be sure youll be delivering sufficient power. 9.3 vs 405 Win [Re: Metalguy] # 148743 - 24/12/09 11:06 AM : Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply I run 600 rounds between cleanings . Hard Cast bullets. What is your level? . The .444 Marlin Ammo was created in 1964 when the market needed a big bore cartridge for level-action rifles. When I was a kid, there were three reasons I wanted a lever action rifle. Part of the reason is its oddball .411 bullet diameter. Few companies get to claim they are still building the same guns that brought them to the table. vs. .300 Wby. Chamberings Offered. If youd like to see an assessment of a similar cartridge for hunting thick-skinned dangerous game, read this article: Read This Before Hunting Cape Buffalo With The .45-70 Government. Now, to find reload data ! All Rights Reserved. Williams still makes a receiver sight for the Winchester 1895, but the company notes its FP-Winchester 71 will not fit on .405 Win. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. Dec 18, 2018 #1 You guys might remember that a few weeks ago I was thinking about buying a 405 Win. Hornaday is coming out with a 44/240 pointed bullet for reloaders that looks promising. Lets look at the similarities, differences and applications of each. The flattest-shooting .444 Marlin load is probably the 265-grain FP Superformance load from Hornady. The Winchester Big Bore action can easily go to 50,000 psi and as we will see that makes a big difference in velocity and power. There is something almost magical about big-bore lever guns; to me they represent big-game hunting at close quarters. was the most powerful lever-action cartridge of its day, making the Model 1895 Winchester the king of the lever-gun hill. This helps support the blog and allows me to continue to create free content thats useful to hunters like yourself. The so called bullet shape advantage is somewhat of a hoax as the 405 Win 300 grain spitzer type bullet does not offer a great BC. If looking to acquire an automated powder-charge dispensing unit to speed up precision reloading, don't judge the RCBS ChargeMaster Lite powder scale and dispenser by its name; the Little Green machine packs a heavy-weight punch with speed and accuracy. Randy's Custom Rifles Chambering List: If you do not see a caliber you want, contact us for availability. Length of pull is 13.25 inches. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. I looked at the 375W. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. PS- I didnt look at the date of your article but I suspect it pre-dates Hornadys introduction of .405 ammunition. The fluid motion of the action and those huge, rimmed, brass cases make for some formidable medicine for the largest bears, bison and cervids. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. Another tick against the .405 was the Model 1895 rifle and its stock design that tended to accentuate the recoil unpleasantly. 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